Comments on: Google Desecrates Microsoft, Sort of… http://travi.st/2009/09/google-desecrates-microsoft-sort-of/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=google-desecrates-microsoft-sort-of Not sure what this is going to turn into... Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:26:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Travis Todd http://travi.st/2009/09/google-desecrates-microsoft-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Travis Todd Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:47:04 +0000 http://travi.st/?p=253#comment-21 Sweet River! Long time, no speak... How is your Afrikaans coming along? Interesting idea you have there, you have to admit that most people are a little more savvy about all thing internet & computers than they were 5-10 years ago. I suppose if there was a way to block IP ranges by browser type this would make IT managers happy? None the less, to me it is stupid that IT organizations don't just role out Chrome or Firefox. If you have applications that require IE6, put bold red text on the login screen that says such, or detect the browser in the program and do something similar. They alway point the finger at "training", but honestly who has ever been trained to use the internet or one of the various browsers? Sweet River!
Long time, no speak… How is your Afrikaans coming along?

Interesting idea you have there, you have to admit that most people are a little more savvy about all thing internet & computers than they were 5-10 years ago. I suppose if there was a way to block IP ranges by browser type this would make IT managers happy?

None the less, to me it is stupid that IT organizations don’t just role out Chrome or Firefox. If you have applications that require IE6, put bold red text on the login screen that says such, or detect the browser in the program and do something similar. They alway point the finger at “training”, but honestly who has ever been trained to use the internet or one of the various browsers?

]]> By: Sweet River http://travi.st/2009/09/google-desecrates-microsoft-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-20 Sweet River Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:09:31 +0000 http://travi.st/?p=253#comment-20 Really there are a lot of things to comment on here. I guess first of all developers have such issue with IE6 because of their nature of being a developer. By nature, good, developers are always look to new technology for a better mouse trap. Most use the latest software, computers and so on. All of these things are things that you want your developers to do and it makes them better and faster at their jobs, but in doing so I think it’s easy to lose sight of their purpose which is solely to make applications for their clients to use on their equipment. I don’t think this struggle against technology or better yet away from bad technology is something that will ever go away it’s a little bit of the nature of the beast. The other issue is Big Business or The Man. Interestingly enough I think you touched on this earlier in your blog about “The Incentive Behind Pricing”. The key word being “Incentive”, in my experience most decision makers at companies don’t really have a very good grasp of technology. Don’t get me wrong some are very savvy but I believe the majority is not. So if you work for a company as a manager who isn’t very technically savvy then what is your incentive to change? How is switching from IE6 to Chrome or Firefox going to make my employee’s 10% more productive? These can all be tough arguments especially if the manager doesn’t understand the concept in the first place. If I look backwards for a solution I remember the days when I worked for a small internet service provider (ISP) and I would get help calls from customers who used our internet service to connect to the internet but for the life of them could not understand why they didn’t have to sign on to AOL.com anymore they just weren’t savvy enough to understand AOL was not the internet. If I try to apply that to my web based application today I think it would work something like this. Find a client that wants to use your service x.com. They can sign up for your service but they also have to download and install your client software. Ha Ha! Guess what that is? Yep Chrome, Firefox or any other browser of your choosing with the homepage set to x.com. Maybe even a bookmark on their desktop that says x.com. I like this parallel solution to the issue. By using an alternate browser you optimize your applications performance and by selecting a browser other then IE you do not jeopardize any legacy applications. Maybe I have high hopes but it just might help the technological evolution of your clients. Wow I really didn’t expect to write that much. Really there are a lot of things to comment on here.
I guess first of all developers have such issue with IE6 because of their nature of being a developer. By nature, good, developers are always look to new technology for a better mouse trap. Most use the latest software, computers and so on. All of these things are things that you want your developers to do and it makes them better and faster at their jobs, but in doing so I think it’s easy to lose sight of their purpose which is solely to make applications for their clients to use on their equipment. I don’t think this struggle against technology or better yet away from bad technology is something that will ever go away it’s a little bit of the nature of the beast.
The other issue is Big Business or The Man. Interestingly enough I think you touched on this earlier in your blog about “The Incentive Behind Pricing”. The key word being “Incentive”, in my experience most decision makers at companies don’t really have a very good grasp of technology. Don’t get me wrong some are very savvy but I believe the majority is not. So if you work for a company as a manager who isn’t very technically savvy then what is your incentive to change? How is switching from IE6 to Chrome or Firefox going to make my employee’s 10% more productive? These can all be tough arguments especially if the manager doesn’t understand the concept in the first place.
If I look backwards for a solution I remember the days when I worked for a small internet service provider (ISP) and I would get help calls from customers who used our internet service to connect to the internet but for the life of them could not understand why they didn’t have to sign on to AOL.com anymore they just weren’t savvy enough to understand AOL was not the internet. If I try to apply that to my web based application today I think it would work something like this. Find a client that wants to use your service x.com. They can sign up for your service but they also have to download and install your client software. Ha Ha! Guess what that is? Yep Chrome, Firefox or any other browser of your choosing with the homepage set to x.com. Maybe even a bookmark on their desktop that says x.com. I like this parallel solution to the issue. By using an alternate browser you optimize your applications performance and by selecting a browser other then IE you do not jeopardize any legacy applications. Maybe I have high hopes but it just might help the technological evolution of your clients.
Wow I really didn’t expect to write that much.

]]> By: Travis Todd http://travi.st/2009/09/google-desecrates-microsoft-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Travis Todd Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:06:11 +0000 http://travi.st/?p=253#comment-18 Frank, I would agree with you, and there are actually groups out there that have tried their best to put IE6 in a grave. One of the reasons IT managers are in a pickle is because over the past 8 years they have had a number of web based custom applications built for their companies using IE6 as the standard - and the path of least resistance is to avoid the upgrade. The real one to blame is the debacle with Vista. Had Vista not been such a POS, this IE6 thing would be a thing of the past. Maybe Windows 7 will be the savior, I've not seen it but have heard better things about it. Frank,
I would agree with you, and there are actually groups out there that have tried their best to put IE6 in a grave. One of the reasons IT managers are in a pickle is because over the past 8 years they have had a number of web based custom applications built for their companies using IE6 as the standard – and the path of least resistance is to avoid the upgrade.

The real one to blame is the debacle with Vista. Had Vista not been such a POS, this IE6 thing would be a thing of the past. Maybe Windows 7 will be the savior, I’ve not seen it but have heard better things about it.

]]> By: Frank http://travi.st/2009/09/google-desecrates-microsoft-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Frank Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:30:11 +0000 http://travi.st/?p=253#comment-17 It's a nice concept and all, but I don't think this will work at all. The reason why these companies are so draconian and refuse anything but IE6 won't change the fact that we have this problem in the first place. This program won't get much tread. In fact, this program would never be approved by these draconian companies any more than trying to get IE8 installed. The best thing is to put IE6 out to pasture. Force IE6 people out. It's harsh, but it would give a "wake up and smell the roses" to the IT managers. Move with the times, or be cut off. It’s a nice concept and all, but I don’t think this will work at all. The reason why these companies are so draconian and refuse anything but IE6 won’t change the fact that we have this problem in the first place. This program won’t get much tread. In fact, this program would never be approved by these draconian companies any more than trying to get IE8 installed.

The best thing is to put IE6 out to pasture. Force IE6 people out. It’s harsh, but it would give a “wake up and smell the roses” to the IT managers. Move with the times, or be cut off.

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